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Turbobusa · Nov 16, 2008, 09:11 AM // 09:11

I want it to be logical.
Your government does not reward foreign people in foreign countries for good actions that will only benefit this foreign country.
It would not be more of an annoyance since anyway when a zone has been invaded priests are remplaced with the faction-owning ones. You get the faction-owning blessing. But you are rewarded by the opposite faction at the end?

Um Yeah · Nov 16, 2008, 10:37 PM // 22:37

On a similar note, I just got 3k kurz faction for completing Gyala because Leviathan Pits is owned by kurz.

Edit: Actually nevermind, it seems the game gave me 3k lux but said it gave me kurz.

Striken7 · Nov 17, 2008, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

I want it to be logical.

Getting Kurzick faction for vanquishing a Kurzick territory (which it is and always will be) is illogical now?

That's news to me.

cataphract · Nov 17, 2008, 07:50 AM // 07:50

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Originally Posted by Parson Brown

Yeah, just like when Underworld/FoW access was controlled by who was holding the Hall of Heroes. Everyone loved that!

I did.

But then again, I was playing on European servers.

pumpkin pie · Nov 17, 2008, 09:44 AM // 09:44

Now if we can have blathazar factions for playing in the Dragon's Throat's Challenge mission, it'll be perfect hehehehe

Phineas · Nov 17, 2008, 12:08 PM // 12:08

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Originally Posted by Striken7

Getting Kurzick faction for vanquishing a Kurzick territory (which it is and always will be) is illogical now?

That's news to me.

That's not the issue...

If an area in the jade sea is kurzick controlled when you enter the map, there will be a kurzick priest to greet you and offer a kurzick bounty for kills. When you then go on to vanquish the map you are given a luxon faction bonus which negates some or all of the kurzick faction you just spent an hour or so earning.

Thus, it would be best for players to wait until the area they wish to vanquish is controlled by the kurzicks, if it's in the forest, or the luxons, if it's in the jade sea. Vanquishing at any other time will result in faction being wasted.

Tradedaro · Dec 16, 2008, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by Phineas

Vanquishing at any other time will result in faction being wasted.

Exactly.
Now this thread seems to have died but have there been any official replies to this issue?

Mervil · Jan 22, 2009, 04:22 AM // 04:22

Another month later...

Agreed! You should get vanquishing reward based on who controls the territory/outpost.

I think this is actually a much needed change, as the allegiance rank is still pretty hard to accomplish. If Im Kurzick working for allegiance and vanquishing titles, it would be very nice to win a bunch of ABs, push the Kurzick/Luxon line over into Luxon territory, and be able to vanquish those Kurzick-controlled-Luxon areas and receive Kurzick points. In fact, it would be SUPER nice to be able to do that for all territories. But, that would mean implementing some way for the Luxons to have access to Arborstone (vanquishing must be done from Altrumm Ruins) when the AB map is at The Ancestral Lands and for Kurzicks to have access to Boreas Seabed when the AB map is at Kaanai Canyon. (All other territories can be accessed by the opposing faction from outposts when the opposing faction controls them).

Come on ANET. Please!

FengShuiDove · Jan 22, 2009, 07:14 AM // 07:14

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Originally Posted by Mervil

What he said

Is fail. If the line is far enough that the Luxons occupy Kurzick territory, then *temporarily* it benefits the Luxon empire to Vanquish that particular area. However, it is still in the Kurzick lands, and also benefits them.

The rewards are fine. If you want Faction gain, Vanquish something in the Jade Sea. If you want title, Vanquish what you need for title and buy Amber or Kurzick skills. After all, at r4 you can put it in your HoM, I see no reason not to do both sides eventually.

BenjZee · Jan 22, 2009, 08:35 AM // 08:35

I know this isnt sardelec but this reminds me of an idea i had. You should get mroe faction in AB depending on who controls the towns and how far the line is in your territoy.

Lycan Nibbler · Jan 22, 2009, 01:14 PM // 13:14

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Originally Posted by Tradedaro

Exactly.
Now this thread seems to have died but have there been any official replies to this issue?

LOL, you joke right?? you need an active CR to get an official response. the only thing the current one seems to do is post what she is told to and then respond to that - at least thats my view.

Lycan Nibbler · Jan 22, 2009, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

Is fail. If the line is far enough that the Luxons occupy Kurzick territory, then *temporarily* it benefits the Luxon empire to Vanquish that particular area. However, it is still in the Kurzick lands, and also benefits them.

The rewards are fine. If you want Faction gain, Vanquish something in the Jade Sea. If you want title, Vanquish what you need for title and buy Amber or Kurzick skills. After all, at r4 you can put it in your HoM, I see no reason not to do both sides eventually.

Incorrect, wherever the line is splits the "territories" so areas held by Luxon are NOT "kurzick lands" until they are won back.

It seems like a reason reward for pushing the other competitor back, to be able to vanquish an area and get a Luxon reward.

The basic fact is that you should not gain faction for both sides by VQ an area. If the Luxon preists are at the shrines, then it should be Luxon for the "WHOLE" VQ and likewise if its a Kurz priest.

FengShuiDove · Jan 22, 2009, 01:44 PM // 13:44

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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

The basic fact is that you should not gain faction for both sides by VQ an area. If the Luxon preists are at the shrines, then it should be Luxon for the "WHOLE" VQ and likewise if its a Kurz priest.

Riiiight, I forgot occupancy was actually ownership. Maybe we ought to tell America that so we can treat Iraq like our own country.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vanq...chovald_Forest
"Echovald Forest (also known as the Petrified Forest) is the home of the Kurzicks on Cantha."

Likewise

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vanquisher#Jade_Sea
"The Jade Sea is the homeland of the Luxons."

Don't see anything about the line defining whose "homeland" either side is.

On top of that, do we really need another reason for hatred between the two sides? AB is already constantly riddled with "stfu kurzdongs" and "gtfo fuxons." The last thing AB needs is more 8 year old kids whining.

I stand by the logic in my first post.

Lycan Nibbler · Jan 22, 2009, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

I stand by the logic in my first post.

Hehe, remember when the USA invaded Iraq that many Americans thought they would get cheap oil?

America is the homeland of the American Indians.. see where that got them??

Personally, I always switch off local when going to AB, so I dont see the 8 yr olds

(as the chat in the outposts waiting to enter is just as bad as in AB). Oh and yes, winning in AB should have some more meaningful effect than giving you a harder map in 3 hours.

On your logic then - where is the logic in VQ an area and getting 20k Kurz faction and 6k Lux faction, when you can only use one or the other, not both?

To a point it makes the game decide when you do a VQ rather than the person (yes - there are assumptions, mine is that the faction is one of the most important things when VQing).

Before they added the bonus for clearing an area, I waited until the Luxons had pushed into Kurz areas and did the VQ on my main then to gain Lux while doing it. Now with maxed Kurz, VQ those areas is more of a pain then anything on my other chars (affecting NPCs you can talk to etc.).

I respect your opinion to disagree

Coraline Jones · Jan 22, 2009, 02:29 PM // 14:29

The idea that there's any room for debate is unbelievable. The bottom line is, nobody pays 100gp willingly to a Priest for a specific Blessing by "accident". So by that token, nobody would expect the final reward to be opposite of the rewards that they were receiving during the vanquishing run. If this was ANet's intention, then they should have gotten rid of all Faction-controlled shrines and just permanently locked them to either Luxon/Kurzick control. Or for that matter, gotten rid of the whole idea behind Faction-controlled anything.

As a Legendary Vanquisher prior to the change, I can guarantee that the way that the system was setup now is not how it used to work. If you took a blessing from a Kurzick Priest, then you were paid in Kurzick Faction at the end of the vanquish, regardless of where you were. Period. Since there's nothing in the release notes that say that they were planning to suddenly change it, then it's obviously a bug that ANet doesn't want to fix.

stretchs · Jan 22, 2009, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Not an oversight a statement and fact since the beginning, you get kurz for vanquishing kurz forest area and get lux for vanquishing lux sea. The blessings are just an added bonus. Stop whining

Lycan Nibbler · Jan 22, 2009, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by stretchs

Not an oversight a statement and fact since the beginning, you get kurz for vanquishing kurz forest area and get lux for vanquishing lux sea. The blessings are just an added bonus. Stop whining

The "beginning" was the priests giving the Faction out - The thing that came "after" was the bonus amount for completing a VQ of an area, so by your logic on the CORRECT facts - the VQ bonus should match what came first ie the priests.